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Post by jamesfisher6 on May 21, 2014 1:04:23 GMT
He needs proper voice training before going on tour again, he was alright this evening, apparently they are planning invading London again at the end of the year, well lets just hope they add some new songs in to the Setlist, but they are still an amazing band despite Danny's vocals.
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Post by orbscure on May 21, 2014 11:10:17 GMT
I didn't think the PA at the venue helped much... bum notes n'all, it was still a top gig and great that they pulled some of the older material out too
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Post by martinr on May 21, 2014 11:47:03 GMT
So, I was worried before last nights gig, some mediocre reviews running up to this on tour so far.
I've been a massive fan of Embrace since day one, but parts of last night left me speechless and gutted for them! Obviously something is wrong with Dannys voice, he's never been the most tuneful of singers with a few bum notes here and there, but last night at times was terrible!!
Blatantly the band and crew are aware of this as keeping his mic lower than the majority of the instruments, and with Rich and Micky singing to mask the lead vocals, its obvious from the off that things arent right vocally with Danny!
That said, if there are obvious vocal issues, certain songs expose that and dont include them in your set. Natures Law was pretty much horrendous and parts of Gravity and Someday actually had me questioning weaher i should leave the gig mid set or not. Not because i was beign short changed or my love of the band has gone, but it was verying on painful and cringy to experience it.
I wish nothing but the best for the lads, the new album is awesome (their best since TGWO) but vocally something needs addressing. best of luck and look forward to the next London gig!
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Post by willow on May 21, 2014 12:03:18 GMT
All those people giving negative reviews made me really worried that I wouldn't like last night but honestly, I needed have bothered. No Danny didn't sing every note bang in tune but I wouldn't expect any singer to. It didn't detract anything from the gig whatsoever. I thought he sung better last night than he did during live performances on the radio and such. I had the best time last night, can't wait until they tour again later in the year! That was my first Embrace gig but definitely won't be my last.
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Post by jude on May 21, 2014 13:02:17 GMT
Great gig last night, was on Level 2, love Shepherds Bush Empire as a venue. I agree Danny's voice was a bit flat at times, but it didn't spoil anything because I expected it anyway! Musically, the band sounded better than ever and will definitely be checking up to see when they are in London near the end of the year. (Wondering if it will be Brixton Academy, perhaps).
Anyone going tonight, hope you have a great time!
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Post by firstcut on May 21, 2014 13:05:53 GMT
Have followed the band since TGWO and seen them on probably every tour they've done. Sorry, but there is a serious issue with Danny's voice (not just singing, but speaking too) and to suggest it doesn't detract from the gig is deluded/insulting to people with ears. Fair enough if you sang your heart out along to every song, but if that was the case you wouldn't know what the vocals were like.
This isn't a case of Danny not being a perfect singer live - he never has been - or just being a bit flat, it is that he is very clearly struggling to get the words out, which makes it appear that he has little sense of timing. I genuinely felt for the guy when I saw them and hope he managed to get it sorted out. Also, I suggest it is anxiety/medical related and it was Danny who delayed the band returning. That he is struggling with his voice and Richard took control of the new album can't be a coincidence.
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Post by jude on May 21, 2014 13:22:18 GMT
I wouldn't begin to analyse it, but there is obviously some reason why we all love the band, even with Danny's voice not being that good. I remember seeing Beady Eye either on TV or Reading or somewhere like that and he was totally off key and it put me off seeing them again, but not the case with Embrace. Danny thanked everyone for buying the album and he said we were all "raving lunatics" (or something similar). These days, with technology, anyone can sing and have their voices enhanced - you just have to listen to the singles charts (not that I do very often)to be able to tell that. Eeh by gum, I wonder if there were loads of Northerners at the gig in London last night (me being one of them, although I defected daan south a while ago, but not entirely lost my Yorks accent).
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Post by orbscure on May 21, 2014 14:03:15 GMT
Spot on Jude If people want to hear out of tune, you should see Ian Brown live! I suppose its a matter of what we want to get from a live gig. If your just going to stand there and want a note for note perfect rendition, you just ain't gonna get this. I want to join in and sing away (my description, not those stood around me) the top of my voice along with Danny and the boys. If I want it note perfect, I'll bung the CD on...
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Post by Lolli on May 21, 2014 14:59:52 GMT
Great gig last night, was on Level 2, love Shepherds Bush Empire as a venue. I agree Danny's voice was a bit flat at times, but it didn't spoil anything because I expected it anyway! Musically, the band sounded better than ever and will definitely be checking up to see when they are in London near the end of the year. (Wondering if it will be Brixton Academy, perhaps). Anyone going tonight, hope you have a great time! Oh dear god no, not Brixton.
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Post by firstcut on May 21, 2014 15:43:56 GMT
And so it continues. Comparisons to Ian Brown are irrelevant and it isn't a case of "getting it". Christ. If you think the vocals are fine you can't have seen the band tour the first 4 albums. Even the vocals on last tours were way better than it is now.
Danny is really struggling up there, and Richard and Mickey are having to back up nearly all the vocals. Just check out the video of Save Me that someone's just uploaded to YouTube. Danny spends most of the gigs trying to get people to join in instead of singing himself, like one of the nobs of The Twang.
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Post by jamesfisher6 on May 21, 2014 21:13:37 GMT
I think it is more likely to be 02 arena, or Wembley Arena when they do the possible concert later in the year, I have always stuck with Embrace since I heard Your'e Not Alone, and have never looked back, there is something about Danny's voice that draws me in, in a good way. Trust me if I did not have to come to London again tomorrow, I would have been at the concert this evening, and not yesterday evening, great concert last night.
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Post by jamesfisher6 on May 21, 2014 21:15:41 GMT
We even got let in at the stage door last night. Although the only person we think we saw was the I Like Trains singer in the bar after the concert.
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Post by jude on May 21, 2014 22:05:42 GMT
[quote author=" jamesfisher6" source="/post/4973/thread" timestamp="1400706817I think it is more likely to be 02 arena, or Wembley Arena when they do the possible concert later in the year, [/quote] Don't mean to underestimate the band, but I would have thought the 02 Arena would be too big a venue for Embrace and perhaps a bit overwhelming for them. although generally Brixton might be a bit cheaper (whatever anyone thinks about it, personally, I don't mind it too much and if you stand downstairs it slopes, plus there is a barrier to lean on, if necessary). It's justs that bands sometimes seem to move on to Brixton next time after Shepherds Bush. Maybe The Roundhouse or Forum are possibilities (just my opinion, for what it's worth).
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Post by davidj on May 22, 2014 11:02:48 GMT
Agree about the PA and that it didn't help, I don't think the sound at the SBE has ever been that great, the sound at the Astoria used to be far superior. Wasn't too impressed for the first half of the gig, but thought they really hit their stride with OBF and the new stuff worked a lot better live than the old stuff, Thief.... was awesome!
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Post by buckley on May 22, 2014 12:41:35 GMT
I think it is more likely to be 02 arena, or Wembley Arena when they do the possible concert later in the year, I have always stuck with Embrace since I heard Your'e Not Alone, and have never looked back, there is something about Danny's voice that draws me in, in a good way. Trust me if I did not have to come to London again tomorrow, I would have been at the concert this evening, and not yesterday evening, great concert last night. Sorry to burst the bubble but there is more chance of me playing the 02 Arena or Wembley Arena then Embrace. The capacities are 20,000 and 8,000. The band didnt sell out both nights at Shepherds Bush which was only 4,000 combined. Never going to happen in a million years.
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Post by nzane on May 22, 2014 14:32:11 GMT
I actually think that Embrace are good enough to be one of the biggest bands in the world, but having attended the Empire last night I think you seem to be missing the obvious with regard to Danny's vocal which is that it is a drug problem. He has the ability to sing in tune but basically wasn't capable. I managed half a dozen songs before leaving as I actually could have sung better myself. There were many others leaving at the same time and at least I got my money back. I am saddened that Danny is on this path as we all know where it can lead. I just hope he realises that he is letting everyone down, including himself.
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Post by Lolli on May 22, 2014 14:56:19 GMT
I actually think that Embrace are good enough to be one of the biggest bands in the world, but having attended the Empire last night I think you seem to be missing the obvious with regard to Danny's vocal which is that it is a drug problem. He has the ability to sing in tune but basically wasn't capable. I managed half a dozen songs before leaving as I actually could have sung better myself. There were many others leaving at the same time and at least I got my money back. I am saddened that Danny is on this path as we all know where it can lead. I just hope he realises that he is letting everyone down, including himself. I'm sorry, are you throwing accusations of drug abuse around? Wow. Nice.
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Post by toddy on May 22, 2014 15:04:40 GMT
I actually think that Embrace are good enough to be one of the biggest bands in the world, but having attended the Empire last night I think you seem to be missing the obvious with regard to Danny's vocal which is that it is a drug problem. He has the ability to sing in tune but basically wasn't capable. I managed half a dozen songs before leaving as I actually could have sung better myself. There were many others leaving at the same time and at least I got my money back. I am saddened that Danny is on this path as we all know where it can lead. I just hope he realises that he is letting everyone down, including himself. WTF?
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Post by buckley on May 22, 2014 16:16:22 GMT
New member. First post. Trolling. So Ignore. Simple.
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Post by saosin on May 22, 2014 16:41:58 GMT
Personally I think Danny should put out a statement on why his voice has deteriorated so much because it's getting to a point now where he is embarrassing himself and the band.
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