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Post by orbscure on May 22, 2014 16:44:11 GMT
Agree about the PA and that it didn't help, I don't think the sound at the SBE has ever been that great, the sound at the Astoria used to be far superior. Glad it wasn't just me who thought this... the instruments were loud and clear (Richard's guitar work was especially good) but vocal reproduction was very muffled. It wasn't just Embrace, we stood through the second support act and thought exactly the same about them too...
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Post by hoysy7 on May 22, 2014 19:16:24 GMT
like a lot of people on here have seen embrace many times took my daughter when she was 8 and the newcastle gig was her 4th time seeing them she is 18 now we were front row and have to say some of dannys singing on the older songs was pretty bad even my daughter who has seen everyone from kings of leon to beyonce kept looking at me as if to say whats going on with his voice now i hate anything that can help a singer like auto tune etc but if he has a real problem with his voice i think he should use it sometimes he couldnt even get his words out when talking i felt really sorry for the bloke because you could see he was trying his best its ,before they came on we were told by sercurity that we were not to use any mobiles cameras etc,below is a video i shot of the good will out so you can get an idea of what i am on about
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Post by joshwood on May 22, 2014 20:26:44 GMT
God, this has gotten to be so obnoxious.
1. Danny's struggling with his voice. Duh. Danny was struggling with his voice in 2006 too. This is not new. It's a little different now (can't get the words out for a second sometimes) but it's not new.
2. Given this, I'm extremely proud of the band for nailing the recorded versions of the songs as well as they have. Danny's vocals are clean and mixed well. This isn't going to be the case live for the foreseeable future. Make your peace with it.
3. People seem to be astonished that Richard is a good singer, not necessarily in this thread but elsewhere (other threads, Facebook)...Richard's always been a more technically proficient singer than Danny, pretty clearly. More range, cleaner, more traditional voice. Danny gives you a sound you're not gonna get from many other bands though, it's deeper, fuller, and it has a certain emotion to it.
4. EVERYONE STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT DANNY'S VOICE FOREVER NOW. You are not breaking new ground. Whatever you are going to say has been said. Ugh, blah.
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Post by richielumsdon on May 22, 2014 23:24:01 GMT
I was at the Newcastle gig that the previous video was taken from and have to say that the quality of the vocals didn't effect my enjoyment of the gig as a whole. I'll qualify that by saying that I'd had a good afternoon on the drink before the gig.
I will say that what was noticeable was that Danny's vocals were a lot deeper in the mix than what is usual for a live concert. At some points I couldn't even hear them so buried were they. As this has been a comment/complaint of a number of gigs on this tour I can only presume that the mixing is intentional, along with the changing of keys of some of the old songs.
As previous posters have said, the complaints about Danny's voice have been going on for a long time now, and as regular as the complaints are we just have to accept that its always going to be the case.
Most of the folk who post on this board are fairly big fans we have come to accept that's the deal these days. He can't really sing live any more, but does his best and remains a good front man.
Having said that all of the criticisms that have been made are also equally as valid, be they from casual fans or more long term followers of Embrace. Gigs don't come cheap these days, and when you factor in the residual costs (travel, food, drink etc...) can be pretty pricey. Therefore if anyone feels that any aspect of the performance has been below par they have the right to comment on it.
After seeing some of the Youtube video's id say that if I went to the gig without prior knowledge of Danny's vocal issues then I would have been dissapointed, albeit for the parts that I could have heard due to them being so buried in the mix.
Like I say these issues aren't going away, so lets just accept it and enjoy the debate that it brings (after all what's better than a good, well argued, debate).
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Post by saosin on May 23, 2014 7:14:47 GMT
I fear for the festival gigs as he's going to be a laughing stock.
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Post by firstcut on May 23, 2014 15:18:06 GMT
I think you seem to be missing the obvious with regard to Danny's vocal which is that it is a drug problem. He has the ability to sing in tune but basically wasn't capable. I managed half a dozen songs before leaving as I actually could have sung better myself. I somehow doubt Danny's vocal issues are due to drug use - certainly not recreational drugs anyway. What a strange accusation to throw, when the guys medical issues are kind of well known. What you or anybody else is physically capable of is irrelevant.
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Post by willow on May 23, 2014 18:28:15 GMT
Sorry, but there is a serious issue with Danny's voice (not just singing, but speaking too) and to suggest it doesn't detract from the gig is deluded/insulting to people with ears. Don't be so rude. Everyone's allowed an opinion and mine is that it didn't spoil the gig. That does not make me deluded.
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Post by DC on May 23, 2014 19:02:04 GMT
As Admin and owner of this forum, Glen expects her mods to tread lightly. Sometimes I can't decide whether we need to be more heavy handed or whether we should respect that's everyone's an adult. I steer more towards the latter. However, saying Danny's on drugs just because his vocals aren't spot on is out of order. The poster of that comment has no idea how close he/she came to having the word 'drugs' replaced with 'tangfastics' in their post.
The debate is part of the board and I reckon the mods should steer clear, but please don't make unfounded statements that are likely to damage someone's reputation.
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Post by richielumsdon on May 23, 2014 19:25:52 GMT
As Admin and owner of this forum, Glen expects her mods to tread lightly. Sometimes I can't decide whether we need to be more heavy handed or whether we should respect that's everyone's an adult. I steer more towards the latter. However, saying Danny's on drugs just because his vocals aren't spot on is out of order. The poster of that comment has no idea how close he/she came to having the word 'drugs' replaced with 'tangfastics' in their post. The debate is part of the board and I reckon the mods should steer clear, but please don't make unfounded statements that are likely to damage someone's reputation. Hear hear
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Post by jamesfisher6 on May 24, 2014 2:52:18 GMT
I think the issue of Danny's voice, could be something to do with the PTSD he suffered between 18-21.
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Post by sarahlouise1970 on May 24, 2014 23:15:33 GMT
Yeah there's no chance they would play O2 Arena or Wembley. I'd like to see them at Brixton Acadamey it's my favourite London venue. The acoustics there are brilliant and the venue in general is just amazing!
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