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Post by birchy7 on Feb 18, 2014 18:05:33 GMT
I went to the Inverness Gig.
i felt his vocals werent great in the first 2 songs, but after that i cant complain, he was on it
Loved every minute of it, cant wait to go t the main tout, Bring on Liverpool! and maybe more.
I took my girlfriend who for her it was her first embrace gig, no complaints from her about his voice so it's not me being biased
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Post by lucinda on Feb 18, 2014 18:09:22 GMT
At the end of the day who wants to pay £30 to hear a singer sing out of tune?, I know I don't . I'll go see Embrace then, you sit home and watch The X Factor. Saves you £30. This.
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Post by embracestokecity on Feb 18, 2014 18:12:15 GMT
At the end of the day who wants to pay £30 to hear a singer sing out of tune?, I know I don't . I'll go see Embrace then, you sit home and watch The X Factor. Saves you £30. nice 1 paulo
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Post by disappointed on Feb 18, 2014 18:17:35 GMT
Feal a bit guilty with all this talk of PTSD, heart condition etc.
My criticism was about the sound production and not the singer. Although the title of this thread may have caused confusion. In actual fact, his posture and manner was actually that of a 'proper front man'.
I could not hear Richard's vocals either and I have normal hearing.
On the very few occassions when there was a pause in the drums you could hear both singers and they both sounded fine. Two seconds later it was back to BOOF, BOOF, BOOF of the poorly mixed base.
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Post by embracestokecity on Feb 18, 2014 18:22:22 GMT
I think there are many things to take into account here. Danny, as we know, suffers not only from the heart thing, but also he's been a huge sufferer of PTSD. When you've been away for a long time, it must be bloody terrifying for the most confident of people. In Danny's case, there must be a real sense of fright - for many reasons. He might be a front man, but he is seriously lacking in self-confidence, I feel. I listened to his interview with Jo Wiley and I thought he was struggling slightly to make his words flow. I am sure that by the time the May gigs come around, he will be feeling more comfortable back in the limelight. Just reading these comments on here shows just how much pressure the fans put on the front man to be on his game. Incredible pressure for even the most self-assured and cocky - none of which Danny is. I did wonder whether Richard taking more vocal space was a way of giving Danny a break during gigs - not that I'm complaining because I like Richard's voice. However, just listen to Refugees. I don't know about you, but I love that whole song - Richard's vocal is great. BUT when Danny's vocal comes in toward the end, the hairs on my neck stand up. His tone is sublime! That's the difference between a vocalist and a front man. He has a stunning tone. It's the reason he's the frontman. Please go easy on him guys. Understand that Embrace is Embrace because of Danny and all the flaws that come with him. The fact that he gets up there at all and delivers each song with such determination - regardless of technical perfection - is perfection itself, is it not? I would implore all fans to get on side. Support that guy and will him on. I'm sure that as he settles back in, gets his confidence back up to full whack, he'll be fantastic. He won't be technically perfect, but he will be Danny. He will be Embrace. Don't bring him down; he has a lot more to battle against than most, and I'd rather have him up there than not, exactly as he is. nice 1 random treacle
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Post by buckley on Feb 18, 2014 18:57:26 GMT
At the end of the day who wants to pay £30 to hear a singer sing out of tune?, I know I don't . Somehow I think the band will survive without your presence at the gigs !
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Post by MrsP on Feb 18, 2014 18:58:43 GMT
I think there are many things to take into account here. Danny, as we know, suffers not only from the heart thing, but also he's been a huge sufferer of PTSD. When you've been away for a long time, it must be bloody terrifying for the most confident of people. In Danny's case, there must be a real sense of fright - for many reasons. He might be a front man, but he is seriously lacking in self-confidence, I feel. I listened to his interview with Jo Wiley and I thought he was struggling slightly to make his words flow. I am sure that by the time the May gigs come around, he will be feeling more comfortable back in the limelight. Just reading these comments on here shows just how much pressure the fans put on the front man to be on his game. Incredible pressure for even the most self-assured and cocky - none of which Danny is. I did wonder whether Richard taking more vocal space was a way of giving Danny a break during gigs - not that I'm complaining because I like Richard's voice. However, just listen to Refugees. I don't know about you, but I love that whole song - Richard's vocal is great. BUT when Danny's vocal comes in toward the end, the hairs on my neck stand up. His tone is sublime! That's the difference between a vocalist and a front man. He has a stunning tone. It's the reason he's the frontman. Please go easy on him guys. Understand that Embrace is Embrace because of Danny and all the flaws that come with him. The fact that he gets up there at all and delivers each song with such determination - regardless of technical perfection - is perfection itself, is it not? I would implore all fans to get on side. Support that guy and will him on. I'm sure that as he settles back in, gets his confidence back up to full whack, he'll be fantastic. He won't be technically perfect, but he will be Danny. He will be Embrace. Don't bring him down; he has a lot more to battle against than most, and I'd rather have him up there than not, exactly as he is. nice 1 random treacle Thanks hun, just saying what I see
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Post by richielumsdon on Feb 18, 2014 19:07:20 GMT
I went to the Inverness Gig. i felt his vocals werent great in the first 2 songs, but after that i cant complain, he was on it Loved every minute of it, cant wait to go t the main tout, Bring on Liverpool! and maybe more. I took my girlfriend who for her it was her first embrace gig, no complaints from her about his voice so it's not me being biased Having not been at that gig I obviously have to take your word for it and i'm glad you enjoyed it, I would argue though that the footage tells a completely different story though. If those vocals were 'on it' I would love to know what your frame of reference is or what you consider to be bad vocals? I love Embrace and have had to defend their music many times in conversations with friends (all the usual "they sound like a poor man's Oasis" bollocks) but I have to agree with a previous poster and say I wouldn't be happy spending 30 quid (plus the other costs going to a gig entails) to go and see them at the moment. That doesn't mean I want to watch an X Factor singer sing some note perfect ballad or watch a pop band mime to a backing track it just means that I expect a certain level of competence in a live performance which to me Danny simply isn't offering at the moment. If the vocals are that bad when they come to the full tour where there'll be a lot more casual music fans, and no doubt reviewers and journalists, in attendance they're going to get crucified. I just hope that what ever issues there are stopping Danny from singing like he's done previously are sorted out before then.
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Post by sonic on Feb 18, 2014 19:10:33 GMT
I went to the Inverness Gig. i felt his vocals werent great in the first 2 songs, but after that i cant complain, he was on it Loved every minute of it, cant wait to go t the main tout, Bring on Liverpool! and maybe more. I took my girlfriend who for her it was her first embrace gig, no complaints from her about his voice so it's not me being biased This surprises me. As a perpetual Danny defender, I still find myself unable to agree with your summary I'm afraid.
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Post by embracestokecity on Feb 18, 2014 19:57:47 GMT
ill be there anyway in may at birmingham & manchester & i dont give a shit if dannys vocals are off as ill be singing all through the gigs anyway & so will most embrace fans. (loyal through the thick & thin)
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Post by db7even on Feb 18, 2014 21:50:59 GMT
Some really thoughtful responses to this thread. It's difficult to remain objective, supportive and encouraging with a band you adore. Most of the people on this thread do this and it's a credit to the band how carefully people are trying to articulate their responses. That's the benefit of being part of embrace's one big family; you feel like you've been through the struggle with them and are invested in the outcome. So come on lads and best of luck for the upcoming explosions - we're all proud of you.
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Post by sonic on Feb 18, 2014 22:06:40 GMT
Some really thoughtful responses to this thread. It's difficult to remain objective, supportive and encouraging with a band you adore. Most of the people on this thread do this and it's a credit to the band how carefully people are trying to articulate their responses. That's the benefit of being part of embrace's one big family; you feel like you've been through the struggle with them and are invested in the outcome. So come on lads and best of luck for the upcoming explosions - we're all proud of you. Nice post.
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Post by richielumsdon on Feb 18, 2014 22:10:28 GMT
Some really thoughtful responses to this thread. It's difficult to remain objective, supportive and encouraging with a band you adore. Most of the people on this thread do this and it's a credit to the band how carefully people are trying to articulate their responses. That's the benefit of being part of embrace's one big family; you feel like you've been through the struggle with them and are invested in the outcome. So come on lads and best of luck for the upcoming explosions - we're all proud of you. Hear hear
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Post by jamesfisher6 on Feb 18, 2014 22:24:45 GMT
I am also a true Danny defender, I suffer from a very rare disability called Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, which means all my muscles are very weak, my right knee can dislocate, without any warning, my left knee can lock in for 5 minutes without any warning, I can sometimes be very violently sick very suddenly, doctors did not think I would live when I was born, I proved them wrong here I am almost 32 years later, I have had a proper paid job for almost 10 and a half years, I have always been a very happy supporter of Embrace since I first heard Your'e Not Alone, Danny is one of my favorite band vocalists.
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Post by jamesfisher6 on Feb 18, 2014 22:25:56 GMT
I have also done karaoke at my local pub for just over 7 months.
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Post by thedevilwearsprada on Feb 19, 2014 11:02:24 GMT
I went to the Dundee and Aberdeen gigs. In Dundee there were a few dodgy notes, but overall Danny was pretty good. I noticed a big difference in Aberdeen, Danny was even better, looking more relaxed, and the unaccompanied vocal he did before Quarters was hauntingly beautiful. Aye there was the odd dodgy note, but I've never been to any gig of any band where the notes have been perfect the entire gig, unless they have been miming. Might be worth waiting for the album and the May gigs before you write them off. Btw, I'm a loyal fan, but also honest. If they had been totally shite I would have said. They weren't .
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Post by embracestokecity on Feb 19, 2014 11:07:00 GMT
I went to the Dundee and Aberdeen gigs. In Dundee there were a few dodgy notes, but overall Danny was pretty good. I noticed a big difference in Aberdeen, Danny was even better, looking more relaxed, and the unaccompanied vocal he did before Quarters was hauntingly beautiful. Aye there was the odd dodgy note, but I've never been to any gig of any band where the notes have been perfect the entire gig, unless they have been miming. Might be worth waiting for the album and the May gigs before you write them off. Btw, I'm a loyal fan, but also honest. If they had been totally shite I would have said. They weren't . nice quote . nice to hear a genuine fans opinion
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Post by sonic on Feb 19, 2014 12:17:20 GMT
I went to the Dundee and Aberdeen gigs. In Dundee there were a few dodgy notes, but overall Danny was pretty good. I noticed a big difference in Aberdeen, Danny was even better, looking more relaxed, and the unaccompanied vocal he did before Quarters was hauntingly beautiful. Aye there was the odd dodgy note, but I've never been to any gig of any band where the notes have been perfect the entire gig, unless they have been miming. Might be worth waiting for the album and the May gigs before you write them off. Btw, I'm a loyal fan, but also honest. If they had been totally shite I would have said. They weren't . nice quote . nice to hear a genuine fans opinion Not having a go, but are you suggesting other people who have commented are not genuine fans? I would hate to think there was any insinuation of anybody who questions a performance as not being a loyal fan. Perhaps I am misenterpreting your post. PS: Happy to hear people give complimentary comments on the earlier gigs, gives me hope that the Inverness gig is not the standard.
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Post by buckley on Feb 19, 2014 16:24:24 GMT
Even though Im a massive Embrace fan, I dont have blind loyalty when it comes to having an objective critique of the band. I genuinely think Danny's voice sounds great on the new tracks, and especially on bullets where I find his voice achingly beautiful. I have 'nt seen them live on this comeback yet, but could certainly forgive a few duff notes, should they come when I see them in May.
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Post by salmidach on Feb 20, 2014 20:00:08 GMT
Are you all aware that Danny has a heart condition that has many known symptoms including breathlessness and stammering? Personally I'd rather be at a stonking gig where the vocal is not like the recording than one that's dull as fuck but pitch perfect. Not many folk can manage both.
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