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Post by Paulie on Feb 21, 2014 12:23:24 GMT
Since when is Danny not cocky?! Making that comment I assume you've never seen Embrace live......!!
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Post by MrsP on Feb 21, 2014 12:32:18 GMT
Since when is Danny not cocky?! Making that comment I assume you've never seen Embrace live......!! Understood. But I do think there's a difference between giving it the expected frontman confident performa and generally being a cocky t***. He certain isn't the latter. That's what I meant. A perfect example of a genuinely cocky t*** is Alex Turner.
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Post by sonic on Feb 21, 2014 12:42:18 GMT
Since when is Danny not cocky?! Making that comment I assume you've never seen Embrace live......!! Understood. But I do think there's a difference between giving it the expected frontman confident performa and generally being a cocky t***. He certain isn't the latter. That's what I meant. A perfect example of a genuinely cocky t*** is Alex Turner. Danny is the perfect frontman, full of confidence, gets the crowd involved, looks like he loves the occasion, appreciates the full band, and boy can he write a cracking tune. Speaking with him at gigs and signings he is totally down to earth too. It's quite rare to find such a quality performer who isn't a cocky tw@t.
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Post by Lolli on Feb 21, 2014 16:03:38 GMT
Hang on, has someone deleted a post? The thread suddenly has a yawning gap and that's annoying. If you've said something you later decide was out of line either carry on regardless or apologise and move on - deleting it just makes the responses look stupid. Edit: oops, no they haven't - it was linked to a post way back and I missed it. Sorry everyone, as you were
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Post by steven on Feb 21, 2014 18:35:10 GMT
You should think about deleting that post!
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Post by jude on Feb 21, 2014 19:38:14 GMT
ill be there anyway in may at birmingham & manchester & i dont give a shit if dannys vocals are off as ill be singing all through the gigs anyway & so will most embrace fans. (loyal through the thick & thin) I don't know what it is about Embrace but I kind of expect Danny to sing off key occasionally, me and my friends find it quite amusing at times (sorry!), but the thing is, it hasn't stopped us wanting to see the band, and we are really looking forward to seeing them again in May. The music is usually great anyway, and I have seen a few other bands where the sound quality is crap at times. Sorry to sound a bit of a grumbler here, but I am more bothered if I have paid money to hear the band and they are drowned out by people around me singing out of tune (or worse still - talking through the whole gig).
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Post by Lolli on Feb 21, 2014 21:16:57 GMT
You should think about deleting that post! I briefly considered it but that would have been a bit hypocritical :-)
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Post by sonic on Feb 21, 2014 21:18:46 GMT
ill be there anyway in may at birmingham & manchester & i dont give a shit if dannys vocals ain my life. Felt like a celebration of the bands retutn.e off as ill be singing all through the gigs anyway & so will most embrace fans. (loyal through the thick & thin) I don't know what it is about Embrace but I kind of expect Danny to sing off key occasionally, me and my friends find it quite amusing at times (sorry!), but the thing is, it hasn't stopped us wanting to see the band, and we are really looking forward to seeing them again in May. The music is usually great anyway, and I have seen a few other bands where the sound quality is crap at times. Sorry to sound a bit of a grumbler here, but I am more bothered if I have paid money to hear the band and they are drowned out by people around me singing out of tune (or worse still - talking through the whole gig). Totally agree with you on the talking through gigs sentiment. Glad you werent next to me at their last gig though cos I cant sing for toffee and I have never sang so loud and proud in my life. Felt like a celebration of the bands return
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Post by lucinda on Feb 22, 2014 11:32:50 GMT
ill be there anyway in may at birmingham & manchester & i dont give a shit if dannys vocals are off as ill be singing all through the gigs anyway & so will most embrace fans. (loyal through the thick & thin) I don't know what it is about Embrace but I kind of expect Danny to sing off key occasionally, me and my friends find it quite amusing at times (sorry!), but the thing is, it hasn't stopped us wanting to see the band, and we are really looking forward to seeing them again in May. The music is usually great anyway, and I have seen a few other bands where the sound quality is crap at times. Sorry to sound a bit of a grumbler here, but I am more bothered if I have paid money to hear the band and they are drowned out by people around me singing out of tune (or worse still - talking through the whole gig). Saw The Waterboys recently and a drunken woman ,who was clearly not interested in the music or Mike Scott's very entertaining tales, chatted very loudly to her boyfriend for the first half...she took no notice of my best scary glares or requests to be quiet....I was so grateful when a guy behind me intervened more forcefully.....don't mind singing along though ... I'm more than a little guilty of that myself .
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Post by jude on Feb 22, 2014 20:20:33 GMT
Not sure if I will be singing very much mainly because I don't know many of the lyrics and those few I did know I think I have forgotten cos I confess to not listening to a lot of their music for a while (until recently). I will have to swot up before May!
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Post by Duncs on Feb 23, 2014 13:23:41 GMT
As that tour went on the progress was huge it's hard doing those first gigs back in years you are obviously going to be nervous, In Aberdeen it was crazy how good Danny's voice was and overall he seemed confident we as fans need to be patient by the May tour they should be bang up for it!! But the setlist needs looked at songs that his voice can handle, I've never been a laya fan and he never sang it bad but singing it early can ruin a live show Glasgow and Dundee it was early and I think it did affect his voice later on removing it in Aberdeen and playing it In encore in Forres and Inverness did make a difference, I like cbtwyk but the first line is hard for him to start can rik not start it or have it pre done? I don't like doing that but as that line starts it does draw attention to the problem!!
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Post by sonic on Feb 23, 2014 17:48:58 GMT
As that tour went on the progress was huge it's hard doing those first gigs back in years you are obviously going to be nervous, In Aberdeen it was crazy how good Danny's voice was and overall he seemed confident we as fans need to be patient by the May tour they should be bang up for it!! But the setlist needs looked at songs that his voice can handle, I've never been a laya fan and he never sang it bad but singing it early can ruin a live show Glasgow and Dundee it was early and I think it did affect his voice later on removing it in Aberdeen and playing it In encore in Forres and Inverness did make a difference, I like cbtwyk but the first line is hard for him to start can rik not start it or have it pre done? I don't like doing that but as that line starts it does draw attention to the problem!! Are you saying his voice improved over the course of the scottish gigs?. If so, and inverness being the pinnacle, then i am petrified for the stick the band will take from their main tour. My hope was that the obvious struggle was due to the number of consecutive gigs, but it sounds like you may be saying different.
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Post by Duncs on Feb 23, 2014 18:54:55 GMT
As that tour went on the progress was huge it's hard doing those first gigs back in years you are obviously going to be nervous, In Aberdeen it was crazy how good Danny's voice was and overall he seemed confident we as fans need to be patient by the May tour they should be bang up for it!! But the setlist needs looked at songs that his voice can handle, I've never been a laya fan and he never sang it bad but singing it early can ruin a live show Glasgow and Dundee it was early and I think it did affect his voice later on removing it in Aberdeen and playing it In encore in Forres and Inverness did make a difference, I like cbtwyk but the first line is hard for him to start can rik not start it or have it pre done? I don't like doing that but as that line starts it does draw attention to the problem!! Are you saying his voice improved over the course of the scottish gigs?. If so, and inverness being the pinnacle, then i am petrified for the stick the band will take from their main tour. My hope was that the obvious struggle was due to the number of consecutive gigs, but it sounds like you may be saying different. in Aberdeen which was 3/5 it was flawless in Glasgow is wasn't at it's best 1/5 and Inverness which was 5/5 it wasn't perfect but it wasn't noticeable that it was that bad!! This was a warm up to what's the come, test the waters with new stuff, warm themselves up and maybe see what they can do to improve!! The tour will be fine no need to be "petrified" if the band had let you down before would you be here now?? This will be a success trust me!!
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Post by Rezurekted on Feb 23, 2014 19:26:44 GMT
The truth is, Danny has never been a great singer and everybody knows that. (I remember the NME or somebody similar way back in the day saying he sounds like a sheep bleating). BUT I do like Embrace a lot (especially their new stuff) and although I cannot claim to be an uber-MASSIVE obsessive fan I am more than old enough to remember them from the beginning. However, these recent live performances of his have been ATROCIOUS and one of the worst vocals I have ever heard in my 20 years of gigging. Maybe only Ian Brown with the post-Squire Stones Roses (think Reading Festival) has sounded worse. Now I do feel bad for him if his poor vocals are due to other factors, ie Health, but we can only excuse him to an extent because he's never really been that great live anyway. Richard on the other hand has been sounding great, and I actually prefer him over Danny on the new studio-recorded songs.
This album has some real potential to be hugely successful. I just hope Danny is able to sort out whatever problems he's having and get his vocal back on track because like somebody else echoed on here, they will end up being ridiculed. And to those who think vocals don't matter live, I agree and disagree. Most singers hit a few bum notes now and again - which is perfectly fine - but Danny's singing has gone way beyond that now. At the end of the day though if he doesn't improve, the worst that will happen is that less people will go to see them live. They will still sell records. Only people hearing them for the very first time may decide not to buy their stuff after hearing a terrible vocal, but everybody else should. Look at the aforementioned Stone Roses who are arguably one of the biggest bands on the planet - bad vocals live (although 10 times better since they reformed) yet they still sold a shit-ton of records. So sometimes it doesn't matter, yet I still pray that Danny improves because he will undoubtedly alienate people.
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Post by sonic on Feb 23, 2014 22:11:20 GMT
I am petrified Duncs because at inverness it was noticeable that it was that bad. I am trying not to sound like a broken record.
I fully expect some duff notes, but this was a level beyond. I purposely didnt mention anything to the good lady in order to gauge her thoughts independently. She said she enjoyed the show but the vocals were awful, just as I thought she might say. This was a country mile away from danny performances of previous. A few people behind us actually said it was the worst gig they have ever been to, it broke my heart.
Should also add that the sound in the venue was poor but I am not sure if the band set it up like that as a buffer from the vocals.
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Post by Duncs on Feb 24, 2014 11:26:35 GMT
What side were you on mate? Or were you quite far back I thought the sound was ok where I was standing, believe me I'd tell you if I thought it was bad he did have a few bum notes but nothing compared to Glasgow, I can understand what you are saying though I did take one of my good mates to Dundee and he said the same the music was tight as fuck but the vocals were shocking, so I went from that in Dundee to excellence in Aberdeen it's a hard one!!
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Post by sonic on Feb 24, 2014 13:14:31 GMT
What side were you on mate? Or were you quite far back I thought the sound was ok where I was standing, believe me I'd tell you if I thought it was bad he did have a few bum notes but nothing compared to Glasgow, I can understand what you are saying though I did take one of my good mates to Dundee and he said the same the music was tight as fuck but the vocals were shocking, so I went from that in Dundee to excellence in Aberdeen it's a hard one!! We were just off-centre, slightly to the right, and pretty near the front. Does seem weird that the vocals would be so volatile for each gig.
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Post by seanieboy14 on Feb 25, 2014 15:55:44 GMT
I have only been to two Embrace gigs and could never really understand all the criticism that Danny gets over his vocal performances. He was brilliant on both occasions. I've witnessed Thom Yorke, Chris Martin, Liam Gallagher, Jarvis Cocker, Pete Doherty, Julian Casablancas, Ian Brown, Shaun Ryder and many more indie legends put in woeful vocal performances at live gigs so I wouldn't be too hard on Danny boy. I am a teacher and know that for the first few days after a holiday period I really struggle to project my voice but after a few days I am bellowing at the top of my lungs again. Danny is probably out of practice that's all and come the tour in May he'll be back on top form. :-)
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Post by Duncs on Feb 25, 2014 16:01:28 GMT
I have only been to two Embrace gigs and could never really understand all the criticism that Danny gets over his vocal performances. He was brilliant on both occasions. I've witnessed Thom Yorke, Chris Martin, Liam Gallagher, Jarvis Cocker, Pete Doherty, Julian Casablancas, Ian Brown, Shaun Ryder and many more indie legends put in woeful vocal performances at live gigs so I wouldn't be too hard on Danny boy. I am a teacher and know that for the first few days after a holiday period I really struggle to project my voice but after a few days I am bellowing at the top of my lungs again. Danny is probably out of practice that's all and come the tour in May he'll be back on top form. :-) that's exactly how I feel cheers for that post mate
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Post by saosin on Feb 26, 2014 20:15:08 GMT
In all seriousness would singing lessons be a good idea for Danny?.
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